[Auscope-geosciml] OGC specs, and modelling approaches [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Dale.Percival at ga.gov.au Dale.Percival at ga.gov.au
Wed Aug 26 20:01:12 EDT 2009


In discussions that I had with Mark Reichardt yesterday he gave me a great list of contacts to follow up of OGC members that have already wrestled with the technical issues. He suggested that some of these people would be more than willing to assist specific implementers in setting up their own systems as well. In particular the marine group and GeoConnections, of which we have yet another visitor here today.

Cheers,
Dale Percival
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To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
Subject: [Auscope-geosciml] OGC specs, and modelling approaches


I believe OGC will co-brand identical versions of specs going up to ISO, and adopt ISO abstract specifications as OGC "abstract topics" - OGC sees its role includes providing the industry with implementation specifications for relevant ISO standards.

I think the biggest issues facing domains such as GeoSciML are around the level of abstraction in the model - resolving the tension between something that can de easily implemented and something that most neatly describes the concepts being modelled. This is going to be critical for modelling cross-domain applications, but may also make life easier when maintaing the model.

I'll be working with Simon next month to explore some ideas for handling this, I haven't worried the list about it as its not ready for prime-time, but I'd keep in mind that you may have a need for the OGC to support (or standardise) some techniques and modelling best practices. In the meantime, if you have particular dilemmas emerging I'd be keen to know about them and see if the ideas I'm pursuing would be of value.

We're also working on tools to support "model hygiene" and make some tedious tasks easier to do, and do better. Simon is starting to use these and had pushed some to the Seegrid SVN - I was wondering if anyone else was aware of these or using them.

Feel free to throw ideas up to:
https://www.seegrid.csiro.au/twiki/bin/view/AppSchemas/UMLAutomationImprovements

Regards
Rob Atkinson

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Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2009 2:32 AM
To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
Subject: [Auscope-geosciml] SIDE bar CSW and Mark Reichardt of OGC

I too met Mark Reichardt in June at the INSPIRE Rotterdam conference - and it may be as a result of that discussion where he always wants more input from us (GeoSciML/OneGeology)  at TC meetings that this offer has spawned. I was speaking to him specifically about KML and its development as an OGC standard.
Actually this makes me realise that I want to ask if Francois as 'our' OGC board member is looking for issues for us to raise there at an appropriate point - if asked I would say 'Francois what is the nature of the agreement between ISO and OGC in ISO taking forward the WFS 2.0 standard (has OGC development of WFS 1.2 stopped as I believe but am unsure)? Will the WFS 2.0 standard be published at no cost (ISO standards cost money to legally access, OGC standards documents do not, that is not an issue with me but often an issue with opensource developers) with an OGC branding (like WMS 1.3 has an OGC and an ISO branding - nearly identical contents) and when will it in practice be available? ISO web site refers to final formal standard being ready 09/2010 but that is too far in future for our needs in my opinion  (Simon says the standard is in actuality fixed and stable now).

Regards
Tim


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   1. QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation - OGC
      follow up? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] (Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au)
   2. Re: QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog       implementation -
      OGC follow up? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] (Robida  Francois)
   3. Re: QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation?
      [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] (Laxton, John L)
   4. Re: QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW       catalogimplementation -
      OGC follow up? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] (Simon Cox)


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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:46:08 +1000
From: <Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au>
Subject: [Auscope-geosciml] QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog
        implementation - OGC follow up? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
To: <auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au>
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Hi all,

In a fortuitous accident of timing, Mark Reichardt (CEO of OGC) was visiting GA today.  In talking about our experiences with WMS, WFS, and CSW, he encouraged us (the GeoSciML community) to document our discussions at Quebec and forward any ideas and best practice recommendations that we come up with to OGC for inclusion as an agenda item at the OGC Technical meeting in Darmstadt, Germany on 28 Sept - 2 October (http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/0909tc).

He suggested that we have a technical representative from our architecture group teleconference to Darmstadt during that agenda item.  We would need to reserve a time slot in the Darstadt agenda that is convenient for the relative time zones.

Would any of our more technically-minded people (maybe Eric, or Jean-Jacques, or Steve) like to take up this opportunity to influence OGC practices?

Cheers,
Ollie

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ollie Raymond
National Advice,  Maps and Standards Project
Geoscience Australia

Address: GPO Box 378, Canberra, ACT, 2601, Australia | ABN: 80 091 799 039
Ph: (02) 62499575 | Fax: (02) 62499992 | Email: Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au
Web:  http://www.ga.gov.au/minerals/research/national/nat_maps/nat_geol_maps.jsp
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen M Richard [mailto:steve.richard at azgs.az.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2009 2:06 AM
To: Laxton, John L
Cc: Boisvert, Eric; Duffy, Timothy R; Raymond Oliver; jj.serrano at brgm.fr; lars.kristian.stolen at sgu.se; Broome, John; Brodaric, Boyan; Simon Cox
Subject: Re: QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation?

It looks to me like too much going on Thursday-- data model, service
architecture, concept definitions. I'd like a half day with the CDTG
members who are present to review comments on a new version of the
lithology category vocabulary (simple lithology), and that may be
optimisitic. I would hate to not be able to participate in the service
architecture discussions as well-- I think they're pretty high priority
at this point if we want to get interoperable services working. At this
point, it seems to me that working on test bed use cases, service
architecture, and vocabularies is more important than major
modifications to the data model. Working out how to integrate  ISO19139
metadata and O&M elements for structure data and boreholes into GeoSciML
documents to produce useful services is top priority in my book.

What I'd suggest is arrange the agenda to do UseCases (monday), then
Service Architecture (Tuesday), and based on those discussions,
prioritize data model discussions for day 3 and 4, with CDTG Wednesday AM?

The service architecture discussion could get some useful ideas and
issues from looking at what's up in the CSW world as part of the intro
for the discussion.

steve

Laxton, John L wrote:
> At present we have a half day (Thursday morning) on the outline agenda for service architecture related topics, including OneGeology. Do you think this is enough? If not something else will have to give, or we can have a parallel session, or we can have an evening session as Steve suggests.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Boisvert, Eric [mailto:Eric.Boisvert at RNCan-NRCan.gc.ca]
> Sent: 25 August 2009 16:12
> To: steve.richard at azgs.az.gov
> Cc: Laxton, John L; Duffy, Timothy R; Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au; jj.serrano at brgm.fr; lars.kristian.stolen at sgu.se; Broome, John; Brodaric, Boyan; Simon Cox
> Subject: RE: QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation?
>
>
>
> CSW is a core component of the OneGeology architecture (is there another formal infrastructure for GeoSciML services beside OneGeology ?).  It tells what WMS links to what WFS, it holds the registry and I suspect it will also be central to the resolver.



>
> Hardly a side-bar - i'd like to see this as a formal dicussion.
>
> Eric
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Stephen M Richard [mailto:steve.richard at azgs.az.gov]
> Envoy? : 25 ao?t 2009 10:52
> ? : Boisvert, Eric
> Cc : Laxton, John L; trd at bgs.ac.uk; Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au; jj.serrano at brgm.fr; lars.kristian.stolen at sgu.se; Broome, John; Brodaric, Boyan; Simon Cox
> Objet : QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation?
>
> We've been putting a lot of effort into getting a CSW  (OGC catalog service, v2.0.2, ISO19115 profile) implementation working, and I'm wondering how many others have been wrestling with the same issue? There are alot of aspects of a working CSW architecture that I think we'll need to deal with in the long run to get working/interoperable  GeoSciML services going. If there's any interest, an evening sidebar meeting to discuss work on CSW would be useful for those of us working on that aspect of the problem...
> What do you think?
>
> steve
>
> --
> Stephen M. Richard
> Section Chief, Geoinformatics
> Arizona Geological Survey
> 416 W. Congress St., #100
> Tucson, Arizona, 85701 USA
>
> Phone:
> Office: (520) 209-4127
> Reception: (520) 770-3500
> FAX: (520) 770-3505
>
> email: steve.richard at azgs.az.gov
>
>
>

--
Stephen M. Richard
Section Chief, Geoinformatics
Arizona Geological Survey
416 W. Congress St., #100
Tucson, Arizona, 85701 USA

Phone:
Office: (520) 209-4127
Reception: (520) 770-3500
FAX: (520) 770-3505

email: steve.richard at azgs.az.gov



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:28:38 +0200
From: "Robida  Francois" <f.robida at brgm.fr>
Subject: Re: [Auscope-geosciml] QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW
        catalog implementation - OGC follow up? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
To: <auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au>
Cc: Serrano Jean-Jacques <jj.serrano at brgm.fr>
Message-ID: <31A9DA7C8AA6E949B09463F8E0A6DDFA944FD3 at RES005.brgm.fr>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Ollie,

Thanks for the information.
I do not know yet if Jean-Jacques will attend the Darmstadt, anyway the will certainly be some GeoSciML people (Simon ?). Did Mark suggested any slot of the TC to include this dfiscussion ?

Cheers,

Fran?ois



-----Message d'origine-----
De?: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au [mailto:auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] De la part de Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au
Envoy??: mercredi 26 ao?t 2009 08:46
??: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
Cc?: Chris.Body at ga.gov.au
Objet?: [Auscope-geosciml] QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation - OGC follow up? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Hi all,

In a fortuitous accident of timing, Mark Reichardt (CEO of OGC) was visiting GA today.  In talking about our experiences with WMS, WFS, and CSW, he encouraged us (the GeoSciML community) to document our discussions at Quebec and forward any ideas and best practice recommendations that we come up with to OGC for inclusion as an agenda item at the OGC Technical meeting in Darmstadt, Germany on 28 Sept - 2 October (http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/0909tc).

He suggested that we have a technical representative from our architecture group teleconference to Darmstadt during that agenda item.  We would need to reserve a time slot in the Darstadt agenda that is convenient for the relative time zones.

Would any of our more technically-minded people (maybe Eric, or Jean-Jacques, or Steve) like to take up this opportunity to influence OGC practices?

Cheers,
Ollie

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ollie Raymond
National Advice,  Maps and Standards Project
Geoscience Australia

Address: GPO Box 378, Canberra, ACT, 2601, Australia | ABN: 80 091 799 039
Ph: (02) 62499575 | Fax: (02) 62499992 | Email: Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au
Web:  http://www.ga.gov.au/minerals/research/national/nat_maps/nat_geol_maps.jsp
Google Map

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen M Richard [mailto:steve.richard at azgs.az.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2009 2:06 AM
To: Laxton, John L
Cc: Boisvert, Eric; Duffy, Timothy R; Raymond Oliver; jj.serrano at brgm.fr; lars.kristian.stolen at sgu.se; Broome, John; Brodaric, Boyan; Simon Cox
Subject: Re: QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation?

It looks to me like too much going on Thursday-- data model, service
architecture, concept definitions. I'd like a half day with the CDTG
members who are present to review comments on a new version of the
lithology category vocabulary (simple lithology), and that may be
optimisitic. I would hate to not be able to participate in the service
architecture discussions as well-- I think they're pretty high priority
at this point if we want to get interoperable services working. At this
point, it seems to me that working on test bed use cases, service
architecture, and vocabularies is more important than major
modifications to the data model. Working out how to integrate  ISO19139
metadata and O&M elements for structure data and boreholes into GeoSciML
documents to produce useful services is top priority in my book.

What I'd suggest is arrange the agenda to do UseCases (monday), then
Service Architecture (Tuesday), and based on those discussions,
prioritize data model discussions for day 3 and 4, with CDTG Wednesday AM?

The service architecture discussion could get some useful ideas and
issues from looking at what's up in the CSW world as part of the intro
for the discussion.

steve

Laxton, John L wrote:
> At present we have a half day (Thursday morning) on the outline agenda for service architecture related topics, including OneGeology. Do you think this is enough? If not something else will have to give, or we can have a parallel session, or we can have an evening session as Steve suggests.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Boisvert, Eric [mailto:Eric.Boisvert at RNCan-NRCan.gc.ca]
> Sent: 25 August 2009 16:12
> To: steve.richard at azgs.az.gov
> Cc: Laxton, John L; Duffy, Timothy R; Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au; jj.serrano at brgm.fr; lars.kristian.stolen at sgu.se; Broome, John; Brodaric, Boyan; Simon Cox
> Subject: RE: QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation?
>
>
>
> CSW is a core component of the OneGeology architecture (is there another formal infrastructure for GeoSciML services beside OneGeology ?).  It tells what WMS links to what WFS, it holds the registry and I suspect it will also be central to the resolver.




>
> Hardly a side-bar - i'd like to see this as a formal dicussion.
>
> Eric
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Stephen M Richard [mailto:steve.richard at azgs.az.gov]
> Envoy? : 25 ao?t 2009 10:52
> ? : Boisvert, Eric
> Cc : Laxton, John L; trd at bgs.ac.uk; Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au; jj.serrano at brgm.fr; lars.kristian.stolen at sgu.se; Broome, John; Brodaric, Boyan; Simon Cox
> Objet : QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation?
>
> We've been putting a lot of effort into getting a CSW  (OGC catalog service, v2.0.2, ISO19115 profile) implementation working, and I'm wondering how many others have been wrestling with the same issue? There are alot of aspects of a working CSW architecture that I think we'll need to deal with in the long run to get working/interoperable  GeoSciML services going. If there's any interest, an evening sidebar meeting to discuss work on CSW would be useful for those of us working on that aspect of the problem...
> What do you think?
>
> steve
>
> --
> Stephen M. Richard
> Section Chief, Geoinformatics
> Arizona Geological Survey
> 416 W. Congress St., #100
> Tucson, Arizona, 85701 USA
>
> Phone:
> Office: (520) 209-4127
> Reception: (520) 770-3500
> FAX: (520) 770-3505
>
> email: steve.richard at azgs.az.gov
>
>
>

--
Stephen M. Richard
Section Chief, Geoinformatics
Arizona Geological Survey
416 W. Congress St., #100
Tucson, Arizona, 85701 USA

Phone:
Office: (520) 209-4127
Reception: (520) 770-3500
FAX: (520) 770-3505

email: steve.richard at azgs.az.gov

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:16:26 +0100
From: "Laxton, John L" <jll at bgs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [Auscope-geosciml] QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW
        catalog implementation? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
To: "auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au"
        <auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au>
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That sounds OK to me. I'll change the agenda along these lines if there are no objections in the next 24 hours.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au [mailto:auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au
Sent: 25 August 2009 23:59
To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
Subject: Re: [Auscope-geosciml] QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

(Damn time zones....  The conversation is almost over before I know it's started...)

I agree with Steve about avoiding concurrent sessions if possible, and about his priorities.  Although there are a few important model glitches to fix (agenda coming soon).

My feeling is that Use Cases might not need a full day (correct me if I'm wrong), and we could start Service Architecture during Monday afternoon and into Tuesday AM.  We could drop Model Design back to 2 days to give the CDTG half a day.

It's a lot to squeeze into 4.5 days, so I could see an evening session eventuating...

Cheers,
Ollie

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ollie Raymond
National Advice,  Maps and Standards Project
Geoscience Australia

Address: GPO Box 378, Canberra, ACT, 2601, Australia | ABN: 80 091 799 039
Ph: (02) 62499575 | Fax: (02) 62499992 | Email: Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au
Web:  http://www.ga.gov.au/minerals/research/national/nat_maps/nat_geol_maps.jsp
Google Map

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen M Richard [mailto:steve.richard at azgs.az.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2009 2:06 AM
To: Laxton, John L
Cc: Boisvert, Eric; Duffy, Timothy R; Raymond Oliver; jj.serrano at brgm.fr; lars.kristian.stolen at sgu.se; Broome, John; Brodaric, Boyan; Simon Cox
Subject: Re: QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation?

It looks to me like too much going on Thursday-- data model, service
architecture, concept definitions. I'd like a half day with the CDTG
members who are present to review comments on a new version of the
lithology category vocabulary (simple lithology), and that may be
optimisitic. I would hate to not be able to participate in the service
architecture discussions as well-- I think they're pretty high priority
at this point if we want to get interoperable services working. At this
point, it seems to me that working on test bed use cases, service
architecture, and vocabularies is more important than major
modifications to the data model. Working out how to integrate  ISO19139
metadata and O&M elements for structure data and boreholes into GeoSciML
documents to produce useful services is top priority in my book.

What I'd suggest is arrange the agenda to do UseCases (monday), then
Service Architecture (Tuesday), and based on those discussions,
prioritize data model discussions for day 3 and 4, with CDTG Wednesday AM?

The service architecture discussion could get some useful ideas and
issues from looking at what's up in the CSW world as part of the intro
for the discussion.

steve

Laxton, John L wrote:
> At present we have a half day (Thursday morning) on the outline agenda for service architecture related topics, including OneGeology. Do you think this is enough? If not something else will have to give, or we can have a parallel session, or we can have an evening session as Steve suggests.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Boisvert, Eric [mailto:Eric.Boisvert at RNCan-NRCan.gc.ca]
> Sent: 25 August 2009 16:12
> To: steve.richard at azgs.az.gov
> Cc: Laxton, John L; Duffy, Timothy R; Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au; jj.serrano at brgm.fr; lars.kristian.stolen at sgu.se; Broome, John; Brodaric, Boyan; Simon Cox
> Subject: RE: QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation?
>
>
>
> CSW is a core component of the OneGeology architecture (is there another formal infrastructure for GeoSciML services beside OneGeology ?).  It tells what WMS links to what WFS, it holds the registry and I suspect it will also be central to the resolver.




>
> Hardly a side-bar - i'd like to see this as a formal dicussion.
>
> Eric
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Stephen M Richard [mailto:steve.richard at azgs.az.gov]
> Envoy? : 25 ao?t 2009 10:52
> ? : Boisvert, Eric
> Cc : Laxton, John L; trd at bgs.ac.uk; Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au; jj.serrano at brgm.fr; lars.kristian.stolen at sgu.se; Broome, John; Brodaric, Boyan; Simon Cox
> Objet : QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation?
>
> We've been putting a lot of effort into getting a CSW  (OGC catalog service, v2.0.2, ISO19115 profile) implementation working, and I'm wondering how many others have been wrestling with the same issue? There are alot of aspects of a working CSW architecture that I think we'll need to deal with in the long run to get working/interoperable  GeoSciML services going. If there's any interest, an evening sidebar meeting to discuss work on CSW would be useful for those of us working on that aspect of the problem...
> What do you think?
>
> steve
>
> --
> Stephen M. Richard
> Section Chief, Geoinformatics
> Arizona Geological Survey
> 416 W. Congress St., #100
> Tucson, Arizona, 85701 USA
>
> Phone:
> Office: (520) 209-4127
> Reception: (520) 770-3500
> FAX: (520) 770-3505
>
> email: steve.richard at azgs.az.gov
>
>
>

--
Stephen M. Richard
Section Chief, Geoinformatics
Arizona Geological Survey
416 W. Congress St., #100
Tucson, Arizona, 85701 USA

Phone:
Office: (520) 209-4127
Reception: (520) 770-3500
FAX: (520) 770-3505

email: steve.richard at azgs.az.gov

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:56:42 +0200
From: "Simon Cox" <simon.cox at jrc.ec.europa.eu>
Subject: Re: [Auscope-geosciml] QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW
        catalogimplementation - OGC follow up? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
To: <auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au>
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Yes - I'll be there.

The OGC Technical Committee is the main body of the 'Specification Program'
http://www.opengeospatial.org/projects.
At a meeting, the action happens almost exclusively within working groups,
either in open meetings of domain working groups
http://www.opengeospatial.org/projects/groups/wg or closed meetings of
standards working groups http://www.opengeospatial.org/projects/groups/swg
plus some satellite meetings of other groups
http://www.opengeospatial.org/projects/groups/sc.

The preliminary program of groups meetings at the upcoming TC meeting is
here: http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/0909tcagenda

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Simon Cox

European Commission, Joint Research Centre,
Institute for Environment and Sustainability,
Spatial Data Infrastructures Unit, TP 262
Via E. Fermi, 2749, I-21027 Ispra (VA), Italy
Tel: +39 0332 78 3652
Fax: +39 0332 78 6325
mailto:simon.cox at jrc.ec.europa.eu
http://ies.jrc.ec.europa.eu/simon-cox

SDI Unit: http://sdi.jrc.ec.europa.eu/
IES Institute: http://ies.jrc.ec.europa.eu/
JRC: http://www.jrc.ec.europa.eu/
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-----Original Message-----
From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
[mailto:auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of Robida
Francois
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2009 09:29
To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
Cc: Serrano Jean-Jacques
Subject: Re: [Auscope-geosciml] QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW
catalogimplementation - OGC follow up? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Hi Ollie,

Thanks for the information.
I do not know yet if Jean-Jacques will attend the Darmstadt, anyway the will
certainly be some GeoSciML people (Simon ?). Did Mark suggested any slot of
the TC to include this dfiscussion ?

Cheers,

Fran?ois



-----Message d'origine-----
De?: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
[mailto:auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] De la part de
Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au Envoy??: mercredi 26 ao?t 2009 08:46 ??:
auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
Cc?: Chris.Body at ga.gov.au
Objet?: [Auscope-geosciml] QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog
implementation - OGC follow up? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Hi all,

In a fortuitous accident of timing, Mark Reichardt (CEO of OGC) was visiting
GA today.  In talking about our experiences with WMS, WFS, and CSW, he
encouraged us (the GeoSciML community) to document our discussions at Quebec
and forward any ideas and best practice recommendations that we come up with
to OGC for inclusion as an agenda item at the OGC Technical meeting in
Darmstadt, Germany on 28 Sept - 2 October
(http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/0909tc).

He suggested that we have a technical representative from our architecture
group teleconference to Darmstadt during that agenda item.  We would need to
reserve a time slot in the Darstadt agenda that is convenient for the
relative time zones.

Would any of our more technically-minded people (maybe Eric, or
Jean-Jacques, or Steve) like to take up this opportunity to influence OGC
practices?

Cheers,
Ollie

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Ph: (02) 62499575 | Fax: (02) 62499992 | Email: Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen M Richard [mailto:steve.richard at azgs.az.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2009 2:06 AM
To: Laxton, John L
Cc: Boisvert, Eric; Duffy, Timothy R; Raymond Oliver; jj.serrano at brgm.fr;
lars.kristian.stolen at sgu.se; Broome, John; Brodaric, Boyan; Simon Cox
Subject: Re: QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation?

It looks to me like too much going on Thursday-- data model, service
architecture, concept definitions. I'd like a half day with the CDTG members
who are present to review comments on a new version of the lithology
category vocabulary (simple lithology), and that may be optimisitic. I would
hate to not be able to participate in the service architecture discussions
as well-- I think they're pretty high priority at this point if we want to
get interoperable services working. At this point, it seems to me that
working on test bed use cases, service architecture, and vocabularies is
more important than major modifications to the data model. Working out how
to integrate  ISO19139 metadata and O&M elements for structure data and
boreholes into GeoSciML documents to produce useful services is top priority
in my book.

What I'd suggest is arrange the agenda to do UseCases (monday), then Service
Architecture (Tuesday), and based on those discussions, prioritize data
model discussions for day 3 and 4, with CDTG Wednesday AM?

The service architecture discussion could get some useful ideas and issues
from looking at what's up in the CSW world as part of the intro for the
discussion.

steve

Laxton, John L wrote:
> At present we have a half day (Thursday morning) on the outline agenda for
service architecture related topics, including OneGeology. Do you think this
is enough? If not something else will have to give, or we can have a
parallel session, or we can have an evening session as Steve suggests.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Boisvert, Eric [mailto:Eric.Boisvert at RNCan-NRCan.gc.ca]
> Sent: 25 August 2009 16:12
> To: steve.richard at azgs.az.gov
> Cc: Laxton, John L; Duffy, Timothy R; Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au;
> jj.serrano at brgm.fr; lars.kristian.stolen at sgu.se; Broome, John;
> Brodaric, Boyan; Simon Cox
> Subject: RE: QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog implementation?
>
>
>
> CSW is a core component of the OneGeology architecture (is there another
formal infrastructure for GeoSciML services beside OneGeology ?).  It tells
what WMS links to what WFS, it holds the registry and I suspect it will also
be central to the resolver.


>
> Hardly a side-bar - i'd like to see this as a formal dicussion.
>
> Eric
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Stephen M Richard [mailto:steve.richard at azgs.az.gov]
> Envoy? : 25 ao?t 2009 10:52
> ? : Boisvert, Eric
> Cc : Laxton, John L; trd at bgs.ac.uk; Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au;
> jj.serrano at brgm.fr; lars.kristian.stolen at sgu.se; Broome, John; Brodaric,
Boyan; Simon Cox Objet : QuebecF2F2009-- side bar on CSW catalog
implementation?
>
> We've been putting a lot of effort into getting a CSW  (OGC catalog
service, v2.0.2, ISO19115 profile) implementation working, and I'm wondering
how many others have been wrestling with the same issue? There are alot of
aspects of a working CSW architecture that I think we'll need to deal with
in the long run to get working/interoperable  GeoSciML services going. If
there's any interest, an evening sidebar meeting to discuss work on CSW
would be useful for those of us working on that aspect of the problem...
> What do you think?
>
> steve
>
> --
> Stephen M. Richard
> Section Chief, Geoinformatics
> Arizona Geological Survey
> 416 W. Congress St., #100
> Tucson, Arizona, 85701 USA
>
> Phone:
> Office: (520) 209-4127
> Reception: (520) 770-3500
> FAX: (520) 770-3505
>
> email: steve.richard at azgs.az.gov
>
>
>

--
Stephen M. Richard
Section Chief, Geoinformatics
Arizona Geological Survey
416 W. Congress St., #100
Tucson, Arizona, 85701 USA

Phone:
Office: (520) 209-4127
Reception: (520) 770-3500
FAX: (520) 770-3505

email: steve.richard at azgs.az.gov

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