[Auscope-geosciml] GeologicSpecimen - (Re: Which O&M version for GeoSciML - a follow up) [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Simon Cox simon.cox at jrc.ec.europa.eu
Tue Oct 20 02:23:44 EDT 2009


Are these v2.1 or v3.0 changes? 
 
If the latter, then it probably won't be gsml:GeologicSpecimen either. 
Each of the separately maintained packages will end up with their own
namespace. 
So we will see 
    gsml:GeologicFeature
but
    gs-spec:GeologicSpecimen
for example.
 

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Subject: [Auscope-geosciml] GeologicSpecimen - (Re: Which O&M version for
GeoSciML - a follow up) [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



Hi Bruce,

 

The previous email between me and Gilly is attached.  I haven't received any
comment from anyone else.  I'll put the email correspondence on to the
Twiki.

 

1. The attached email outlines Gilly's reason for creating
GeologicSpecimen/materialClass - basically just constraining it more from
GenericName (in O&M) to ScopedName (in GeoSciML).  I am a bit ambivalent as
to the benefit of doing this - I'll let you and Gilly discuss if you want
to.

 

2. The scope notes for GeologicSpecimenType are:

 

"GeologicSpecimenType describes the broad range of specialised geologic
specimens.  

eg: 

outcrop specimen, 

float specimen, 

drill core, 

rock chips, 

drilling mud, 

dredge sample, 

thin section, 

powder, 

mineral separate, 

mineral grain, 

mineral grain mount, 

probe burn spot .

Use the samplingMethod property to provide more details of how the
sampleType was obtained."

 

The scope notes for GeologicSamplingProcess are:

 

"Use GeologicSamplingProcess to indicate the process used to obtain or
create the GeologicSpecimen. eg:

diamond drilling

percussion drilling

piston core drilling

vibro core drilling

channel sampling

sea floor dredging

crushing

mineral separation

melting."

 

I (and the GA databases) think they are two separate concepts that need
description.

 

3. On a related issue, I think we need to relace geotime:GeochronSpecimen
with gsml:GeologicSpecimen.

 

Cheers,

Ollie

 

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National Advice,  Maps and Standards Project

Geoscience Australia

 

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Ph: (02) 62499575 | Fax: (02) 62499992 | Email: Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au 

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From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
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Hi guys,

 

Bruce, couple of emails have been exchanged on the mailing list in regards
of the GeologicSpecimen model.

The discussion isn't resolved but as Ollie addressed the cardinality issue I
pointed out in my last message, this new version sounds fine with me.

 

Also, Ollie gave a clear definition of the geologicSpecimenType property he
defined in the model.

 

Cheers

 

Gilly

 

 

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Dr Guillaume Duclaux

Structural Geologist /  Modeller

CSIRO Exploration and Mining

Visiting address: ARRC, 26 Dick Perry Av., Kensington WA 6151

Postal address: PO Box 1130, Bentley WA 6102, Australia

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[mailto:auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of
Bruce.Simons at dpi.vic.gov.au
Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 11:50 AM
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Hi Ollie, 
I'm happy with the change. 

However, was the discussion with Guillame regarding the need for
GeologicSpecimen resolved? 

The latest .eap model looks like it has replaced Gilly's classes with just
two GeologicSpecimen and SamplingProcess. I don't recall discussion on this
decision.  Is therea TWiki page where it is documented? 

I question the need for the GeologicSpecimen class. 

1. As GeologicSpecimen a specialisation of Specimen,  why does materialClass
need to be specialised?   
2. GeologicSpecimenType - Again I don't see the need for a specific GeoSciML
property. All specimens should potentially have this property which I
believe is covered by the samplingMethod property. 



Bruce

GeoScience Victoria
EARTH RESOURCES DIVISION
Department of Primary Industries
Melbourne, Victoria
AUSTRALIA
Ph: +61-3-9658 4502
Fax: +61-3-9658 4555 
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Hi Modellers, 
  
Back in August, I didn't get any feedback from anyone except Simon about the
implications of changes for GeologicSpecimens and SurveyProcedure between
the old OGC and new ISO versions of O&M. 
  
The one main difference for us I think is that there would be no direct link
in ISO O&M from GeologicSpecimen to SurveyProcedure.  This means you have to
encode a related spatial sampling feature (like a sampling point outcrop or
a sampling curve borehole) to deliver survey details for a specimen.
Personally, I have softened my initial concerns with the OGC-to-ISO change -
a specimen should logically come from an outcrop or a borehole or some other
related sampling device.   
  
Is everyone OK with this change, and we can move GeologicSpecimen to the new
ISO version of O&M? 
  
Cheers, 
Ollie 
  
ISO O&M class diagram: 

  
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Ollie Raymond
National Advice,  Maps and Standards Project 
Geoscience Australia 
  
Address: GPO Box 378, Canberra, ACT, 2601, Australia | ABN: 80 091 799 039 
Ph: (02) 62499575 | Fax: (02) 62499992 | Email: Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au 
Web:
<http://www.ga.gov.au/minerals/research/national/nat_maps/nat_geol_maps.jsp>
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<http://www.ga.gov.au/geoscience/national>  

 
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-----Original Message-----
From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
[mailto:auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of Simon Cox
Sent: Saturday, 1 August 2009 12:37 AM
To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
Subject: Re: [Auscope-geosciml] An O&M question - Survey Details and
location of Specimen [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] 
  
1. because the ISO 19156 version of O&M will have a few significant changes
relative to the OGC O&M, I have rebuilt the OGC O&M as an independent
package within HollowWorld. 
This allows you to choose which version you use. If you prefer O&M v1.0,
then you can use that. 
2. ISO 19156 O&M is now in the hands of the ISO 19156 Editting Committee. I
am the editor, but from now on can only respond to change requests submitted
formally in response to calls as part of the ISO process, or through the OGC
O&M v2.0 SWG. SO if there are any changes you would like to see, you should
realise that there is a formal process to get these in. 
3. As part of the process of updating O&M for submission to ISO, there was
some refactoring. Specimen and LocatedSpecimen were collapsed into one
class, with an optional samplingLocation. 
Spatial sampling features were refactored into an independent branch. It
seemed to make sense to associate the survey procedure with spatial samplign
features, so as you note it is no longer available on Specimen. I don;t have
a strong feeling about this, but in general try to minimize the appearance
of 'optional' properties. 
  
Simon 
  
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European Commission, Joint Research Centre, 
Institute for Environment and Sustainability, 
Spatial Data Infrastructures Unit, TP 262 
Via E. Fermi, 2749, I-21027 Ispra (VA), Italy 
Tel: +39 0332 78 3652 
Fax: +39 0332 78 6325 
e-mail:  <mailto:simon.cox at jrc.ec.europa.eu> simon.cox at jrc.ec.europa.eu 
  
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From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
[mailto:auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of
Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au
Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2009 07:43
To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
Subject: [Auscope-geosciml] An O&M question - Survey Details and location of
Specimen [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] 
A question mainly for Simon, but others as well.... 
  
The latest O&M/Sampling schema allows me to encode a samplingLocation of a
Specimen without the need to locate it using a related
SpatialSamplingFeature (like an outcrop or drillhole). 
  
However, Specimen has no direct link to SurveyProcedure (like who collected
it, location accuracy, datum etc).  To access the SurveyProcedure for a
located specimen, I still have to encode a related SpatialSamplingFeature
(eg, a SamplingPoint which also has mandatory location data) and repeat the
location information that I have just encoded for Specimen/samplingLocation.

  
Should there be a direct association between Specimen and SurveyProcedure to
cater for located specimens?  Then you wouldn't have to encode a related
SpatialSamplingFeature which I presume was the original idea behind adding
samplingLocation to Specimen? 
  
Cheers, 
Ollie 
  
  
  
  



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