[auscope-geosciml] Fw: GeoSciML @ OGC

Rob.Atkinson at csiro.au Rob.Atkinson at csiro.au
Sun Aug 29 19:32:40 EDT 2010

This is a challenge with using URIs.

Under the (sensible IMHO) ISO 19135 "procedures for registration" there is a clear split between the REGISTRY and the REGISTER.

The Registry Owner and Registry Manager would be OGC and the delegated administrator, which may further delegate under some administration process.

The Register Owner would be CGI...

The problem is that a resolvable URI uses the Registry location. If this URI is normative, and given OGC policy re absolute schema locations I think it is, it's therefore just another resolvable URI resource identifier.

CGI could delegate to the OGC the role of Register Manager (who might delegate it back I suppose). The problem with URIs is their lack of transferability from one registry to the other. If we don't wish to bind the register governance irrevocably to the OGC registry governance (irrevocable for this version that is), this is a problem/

Arguably there is already a solution posited, but I for one have lost track of where the debate got to - and this thread shows I'm not the only one. OASIS catalogs act as local proxy resolvers for schema locations, mirroring the debate over other identifiers - so maybe it's all safe, but I'd recommend documenting the delegation process explicitly and openly to avoid confusion about who is responsible for things.


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Subject: Re: [auscope-geosciml] Fw: GeoSciML @ OGC

I think that incubating a standard like this this, and then having it 
migrate up (as it were) to a larger standards body should be considered 
a sign of success!
I can't imagine that we would somehow become irrelevant regarding the 
the authority over the standard. They would surely consult with us 
before making any changes.
Or am I being naive?


Bruce.Simons at dpi.vic.gov.au wrote:
> Hi GeoSciML team,
> Peter Baumann has identified that we have a www.geosciml.org GeoSciML 
> subdirectory at http://www.opengis.net/
> but not at http://schemas.opengis.net/.
> In case of adoption by OGC the normative schema would likely go to 
> http://schemas.opengis.net . One of
> the things to consider at Rome before approaching OGC is whether we want 
> to give this authority to OGC?
> Cheers
> Bruce
> Ph: +61-3-9658 4502
> Fax: +61-3-9658 4555
> Mobile: +61 429 177155
> ----- Forwarded by Bruce Simons/DPI/VICGOV1 on 29/08/2010 07:48 AM -----
> *Peter Baumann <p.baumann at jacobs-university.de>*
> 28/08/2010 07:45 PM
> To
> cc
> 	"Asch, Kristine" <Kristine.Asch at bgr.de>, "Broome, John" 
> <Broome at NRCan.gc.ca>, "Bruce.Simons at dpi.vic.gov.au" 
> <Bruce.Simons at dpi.vic.gov.au>, "Carlos Gabriel Asato, CGI" 
> <g_asato2000 at yahoo.com>, "Francois Robida, BRGM" <f.robida at brgm.fr>, 
> "Ian Jackson (E-Mail)" <i.jackson at bgs.ac.uk>, Koji Wakita 
> <koji-wakita at aist.go.jp>, "percyd at pdx.edu" <percyd at pdx.edu>, 
> cgisecretariat <cgisecretariat at bgs.ac.uk>
> Subject
> 	GeoSciML @ OGC
> Dear all,
> first, my apologies that I missed our joint dinner. Some unforeseen
> "deep impact" had caught me.
> Next, FYI: At http://www.opengis.net/ you find a GeoSciML subdirectory
> linking to www.geosciml.org, but not at http://schemas.opengis.net/.
> This may make sense for now, in case of an adoption by OGC the normative
> schema likely would go to http://schemas.opengis.net . This is one of
> the things to consider when approaching OGC: Do we want to give this
> authority to OGC?
> cheers,
> Peter
> PS: I lack the email address of Wang Jun, as I am on a trip. Waht do you
> think about establishing an email reflector to avoid having to check all
> addresses for completeness every time?
> -- 
> Dr. Peter Baumann
>  - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
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David Percy
Geospatial Data Manager
Geology Department
Portland State University
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