[auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Létourneau, François
Francois.Letourneau at RNCan-NRCan.gc.ca
Wed May 25 11:47:18 EDT 2011
Hi Stephen,
The latest version Fullmoon takes into account the nillable property of an attribute. It is specified in a specific tagged value.
François
François Létourneau
Professionnel de recherche - géomatique / TI
Institut national de la recherche scientifique
Centre Eau Terre Environnement - Centre Géoscientifique de Québec
490, de la Couronne, bureau 3344
Québec (Québec) G1K 9A9
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De : auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au [mailto:auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] De la part de Stephen Richard
Envoyé : 25 mai 2011 11:38
À : auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
Objet : Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
How does fullMoon know what is nillable? Are we manually going into the generated schema and setting that property on xml elements? If so, it makes sense to have a known stereotype in the model to flag nillable elements.
Since we are generating the 'base' xml schema for GeoSciML, from which profiles would be derived, it does seem like a model level assertion.
Profiles may choose to modify the nillability in a manner consistent with the base schema.
steve
Stephen M. Richard
Arizona Geological Survey
416 W. Congress St., #100
Tucson, Arizona, 85701 USA
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email: steve.richard at azgs.az.gov
> -----Original Message-----
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> Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au
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> To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Cc: A.Woolf at bom.gov.au
> Subject: Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> As far as I can tell, the only reason for inventing a "voidable"
stereotype is to
> make a way of displaying in a UML diagram: "This element has a tagged
value of
> <nillable = true>". (I'm happy to be told otherwise if I have missed
something.)
> So for me, the "voidable" stereotype is just decoration on a "nillable"
tagged
> value and I have similar reservations to you about inventing a
> stereotype
for this
> purpose.
>
> Cheers,
> Ollie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
> [mailto:auscope-geosciml- bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of
> Rob.Atkinson at csiro.au
> Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 9:39 AM
> To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Cc: A.Woolf at bom.gov.au
> Subject: Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>
> Personally I am getting very uneasy about the proliferation of
> stereotypes
- it's
> starting to have significant interoperability impact on our
> (collective)
ability to
> model consistently and provide tooling, and ultimately be able to
> reuse
concepts
> across domain boundaries.
>
> INSPIRE has done this, ISO 19156 O&M is implementing a proposed
> change, GeoSciML has introduced estimatedProperty (does anyone else
> use this?) etc
>
> There are obviously good reasons, and issue with 19103 and/or 19109 -
> and perhaps we'll get some utopian view where these standards are
> updated to encompass all the proposals and usages. Alternatively we
> need a mechanism
for
> handling unknown and multiple stereotypes. Ignoring ones you don’t
understand
> seems sensible, but maybe we also need a register of these an
> extension
point
> within the ISO framework to avoid re-inventing the wheel?
>
> Is the stereotype really a meta-class (voidable) - or this an
implementation hint,
> or is this an aspect of the model that simply needs a home within the UML?
The
> former smells bad and leads to problems as seen - but has been used by
INSPIRE,
> so are we stuck with it?
>
> On a side note, Simon and I found the need to extend the meta-model
> with
the
> ownedBy tagged value (arguably this is a hint for certain types of
> implementation which maintain scoped attribute names and inheritance
> patterns). Nevertheless profiling patterns need some special
> attention. Is voidability really an implementation profile issue?
> Should it thus be a
decoration
> of some type, not an inherited meta-class?
>
> Rob
>
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> [mailto:auscope-geosciml- bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of
> Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au
> Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 8:51 AM
> To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Subject: Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>
> The issue that I was trying to describe is that we have attributes
> that
already
> have a stereotype (estimatedProperty [I mistakenly called it
estimatedValue
> earlier]). To stereotype these attributes as "voidable" we would have
> to
either a)
> discontinue the use of the "estimatedProperty" stereotype so we can
> use "voidable" where required, or b) create a new stereotype called
> "voidableEstimatedProperty" for those attributes which are both
> voidable
> (nillable) and estimated.
>
> Comments?
>
>
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> From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
> [mailto:auscope-geosciml- bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of
> Simon.Cox at csiro.au
> Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 11:02 PM
> To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Subject: Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>
> Not really -
> (i) if the encoding rule says 'ignore any stereotype you don't recognise'
we're
> just fine
> (ii) anyway, this stereotype is being considered in the revision of
> ISO
> 19103/19109
>
> Simon Cox
> Research Scientist
> CSIRO Earth Science & Resource Engineering
>
> Phone: +61 8 6436 8639 | Fax: +61 8 6436 8555 | Mobile: 0403 302 672
> simon.cox at csiro.au | www.csiro.au
> Address: ARRC, PO Box 1130, Bentley, WA 6102, Australia
> ________________________________________
> From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au [auscope-geosciml-
> bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au
> [Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au]
> Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 3:42 PM
> To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Subject: Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>
> Thanks Simon, I’ll look into it. I think we may run into trouble
> where we
have
> already used the non-standard stereotype “estimatedValue” on some
attributes.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> ______
>
> Ollie Raymond
>
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> [mailto:auscope-geosciml- bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of
> Simon.Cox at csiro.au
> Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 5:38 PM
> To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Subject: Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>
> P.S. INSPIRE uses the stereotype <<voidable>> to accomplish the same
effect.
>
> From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
> [mailto:auscope-geosciml- bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of
> Simon.Cox at csiro.au
> Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 11:20 AM
> To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Subject: [ExternalEmail] Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature
> [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>
> Ollie – AFAIK you can’t display tagged values assigned to class
> attributes
in a
> UML diagram.
> What you might consider is *also* assigning a _stereotype_
> <<nillable>>,
which
> you can display in UML.
> I think unrecognized stereotypes are ignored by FullMoon, so this
> provides
a way
> to make it show up.
>
> (We could also argue whether ‘nillable’ is a conceptual or
> implementation
issue,
> which is the usual boundary for use of stereotype or tagged value UML
> extension points.)
>
> Simon
>
> From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
> [mailto:auscope-geosciml- bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of
> Oliver.Raymond at ga.gov.au
> Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 11:03 AM
> To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Subject: Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>
> Hi John
>
> Apologies for my late reply on this one.
>
>
> 1. All attributes of MappedFeature are mandatory-but-nillable in
GeoSciML v3.
>
> (SIDEBAR: Is there a way of displaying the “nillable” tag on a UML
diagram? I
> have had to explain many times to users that although an element is
> shown
as
> mandatory on a GeoSciML v3 UML diagram, it may be nillable and it
> doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to deliver content for that element.) 2.
The xml
> for observationMethod, resolutionScale and PositionalAccuracy entails
between
> 16 lines (with full data content) and 3 lines (if nilled) of xml per
feature. If you
> were hand-coding the xml for each feature, then that would be a pain.
> But you’re not – a computer is. Is the issue that having an extra 16
> lines of
xml per
> feature is too bulky for a WFS service?
> 3. I have two Australian national datasets that are good examples of
datasets
> with variable feature-level metadata:
>
> The Australian 1:1M scale national geology dataset (our prime national
geology
> map which we deliver to the OneGeology portal) is compiled from many
source
> maps of different scales and vintages, and so has different
positionalAccuracies
> for features in different parts of the map.
>
> We also have a national dataset which captures the outlines of
> geological provinces (eg, basins, cratons, etc). Segments of these
> outlines are
compiled
> from different sources (like outcrop mapping, magnetic interpretation,
seismic
> interpretation, drilling) and so have different observationMethods for
these
> features within the dataset.
> 4. Steve proposed a gsml:Map element back in 2008 which appears to
> cover what you require with delivering scale, accuracy, etc for a
> whole set of
mapped
> features.
> (https://www.seegrid.csiro.au/twiki/bin/view/CGIModel/GeoSciMLv3Design
> Pro
> posals#16_gsml_Map, and
> https://www.seegrid.csiro.au/wiki/CGIModel/Quebec2009ModelDesignTaskGr
> o upAgenda). But we never followed through with it after Quebec. As
indicated
> by Eric and others, I think that there needs to be much more
> discussion,
before
> we add gsml:Map to GeoSciML, on how a client would know how to resolve
> metadata for different WFS datasets that could potentially deliver
> their metadata at either a) feature level or b) map level.
> 5. I am more than happy to accommodate INSPIRE’s requirements in
GeoSciML
> if they also have general application outside the INSPIRE use cases
> (eg,
we have
> adopted some of the borehole attributes suggested by INSPIRE). If
> INSPIRE
has
> more complicated requirements of GeoSciML, like this one appears to
> be, I would love to see UML examples from INSPIRE of how INSPIRE’s
> needs could
be
> accommodated by extending or changing GeoSciML while still maintaining
> the more general application of GeoSciML to the wider geological community.
> I really appreciate the role you are playing in “running point” for
GeoSciML
> within the INSPIRE network.
>
> Cheers,
> Ollie
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> ______
>
> Ollie Raymond
>
> Project Leader
> National Geological Maps and Data Standards
>
Project<http://www.ga.gov.au/minerals/projects/current-projects/geological-
> maps-standards.html>
> Geoscience Australia
>
> Interoperability Working
> Group<https://www.seegrid.csiro.au/wiki/bin/view/CGIModel/Interoperabi
> lity
> WG>
> IUGS Commission for the Management and Application of Geoscience
> Information
>
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> [mailto:auscope-geosciml- bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of
> Bruce.Simons at dpi.vic.gov.au
> Sent: Friday, 13 May 2011 9:59 AM
> To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Subject: Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature
>
> Hi John,
> Attached is a snapshot of the Symbol Legend from a GSV geological map
> from
> 2003 (done in ArcInfo pre our database rebuild based on GeoSciML).
>
> Note that the symbol legend (contact and fault line types) has a
> variety
of line
> types based on perceived accuracy and interpreted method.(A snapshot
> of
the
> legend is below). These have been mapped to various
gsml:positionalAccuracy
> values for our GeoSciML WFS.
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Bruce Simons
> Senior Information Geoscientist
> IUGS-Commission for Geoscience Information Oceania Councillor
> GeoScience Victoria/Australian Spatial Research Data Commons Level 9,
> 55 Collins St
PO Box
> 4440 Melbourne, Victoria, 3001 Australia
>
> Ph: +61-3-9658 4502
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>
>
>
> From: "Laxton, John L." <jll at bgs.ac.uk>
> To: "auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au" <auscope-
> geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au>
> Date: 12/05/2011 06:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature
> Sent by: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> It is definitely perceived as a problem within the INSPIRE group, to
> the
extent
> that there is pressure to depart from GeoSciML which I strongly want
> to
avoid. I
> think the problem is that in practice nobody can actually think of a
> set
of
> MappedFeatures from a particular source (map or model) where these
> properties would vary between MappedFeatures (or at least that that
> information would be available) other than possibly for field maps
> (which
aren’t
> central to INSPIRE). Do your maps record this information? In
> OneGeology- Europe we found that in practice every service simply set
> a standard value
for
> these properties – which might differ between services but didn’t
> within a service. I am not suggesting these properties be dropped,
> simply that the cardinality be changed so they don’t have to be
> populated. Ideally we
would
> have an alternative method, such as metadata, to provide a single
> value
for this
> information for a complete data set, but from an INSPIRE point of view
> we could probably live without that as long as it isn’t essential we
> populate
these
> values for every MappedFeature. We could always handle the metadata
> separately in INSPIRE if GeoSciML doesn’t wish to adopt some standard
> approach for this.
>
> On your second point cannot a single gml:FeatureCollection contain
> several GSML collections, each with its own metadata, where a response
> includes
data
> from different sources?
>
> John
>
> From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
> [mailto:auscope-geosciml- bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of
> Bruce.Simons at dpi.vic.gov.au
> Sent: 12 May 2011 00:58
> To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Subject: Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature
>
> There are two aspects I think need to be considered prior to heading
> too
far
> down the solution path:
>
> 1. Is this really a problem?
> The reason the properties are on the MappedFeature is that they may
> vary,
even
> on the same map. If this is not the case then they should be (only)
> on
the
> Metadata. The fact that for a lot of maps these properties don't vary
doesn't
> mean they shouldn't be provided for each MappedFeature.
>
> 2. If they should be on the Metadata then there needs to be a way of
identifying
> a "collection that is used to generate a specific map".
> Steve has raised this at previous meetings, but I'm not sure how it
> has progressed. This could possibly provide a method of indicating
> common metadata.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Bruce Simons
> Senior Information Geoscientist
> IUGS-Commission for Geoscience Information Oceania Councillor
> GeoScience Victoria/Australian Spatial Research Data Commons Level 9,
> 55 Collins St
PO Box
> 4440 Melbourne, Victoria, 3001 Australia
>
> Ph: +61-3-9658 4502
> Fax: +61-3-9658 4555
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>
>
>
> From: "Boisvert, Eric" <Eric.Boisvert at RNCan-NRCan.gc.ca>
> To: <auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au>
> Date: 11/05/2011 09:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature
> Sent by: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
>
> Still the same issue. Can't tell if void == "don't know / don't care"
versus "it's in
> the metadata". Unless this becomes the default pattern (get missing
values
> from metadata).
> But now, we run into the issue of binding a specific GeoSciML
> properties
to the
> values of a specific properties in the ISO-19115. Some are obvious,
> some
aren't.
>
> Actually, the problem has two sides:
>
> 1- how can we define local "default" values
> 2- how can we link that default values to a value in iso-19115.
> positionalAccuracy is actually a swe Quantity. The metadata property
> must
be
> one of this DQ_Element. Should it be some way to tell the client app
> or
is it a
> "Moses shows up with stone tablets" kind of rule.
>
> Eric
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
> [mailto:auscope-geosciml- bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] De la part de Laxton, John L.
> Envoyé : 11 mai 2011 06:44
> À : auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Objet : Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature
>
> Maybe what we have here is a hierarchy of collections. The overall
collection
> delivered is a gml:FeatureCollection but within that we can have
> distinct
GSML
> collections for features from different sources, each of which could
> have
its
> own metadata. Having distinct source metadata would be useful anyway,
apart
> from the positionalAccuracy and resolutionScale problem.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
> [mailto:auscope-geosciml- bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of
> Boisvert, Eric
> Sent: 11 May 2011 11:18
> To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au;
> auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Subject: [auscope-geosciml] RE : MappedFeature
>
> >Cannot the metadata do this - as I recall there are 19115 properties
> >for
> positional accuracy and spatial resolution?
>
> it can. But how do we tell the client application that it should seek
> this information in the metadata ? (metadata of what actually ?
> metadata of the collection or the source dataset ? - there might be
> several sources in a
single
> collection). If we use some pointer un positionalAccuracy to point to
metadata
> fragment, we are back to square one (this info is repeated for every
instance).
>
> What you are looking for is a way to define "default" values or
> references
to
> subsitute to voided or missing properties and it should be valid for a
given
> dataset (not at the schema level). Maybe generate one instance of
> MappedFeature at the top of the collection that has a role of "template"
(similar
> to GeologicFeature that can either be normative or instances) where
> all
the
> values are defined explicitly and when a property is missing/voided in
> any subsequent feature, the value must be drawn from the template
> instance assuming it's the same feature type.
>
> too crazy ?
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> De: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au de la part de Laxton,
> John
L.
> Date: mer. 2011-05-11 05:53
> À: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Objet : Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature
>
>
>
> You could indeed represent the same GeologicFeature with different
> MappedFeatures (eg for maps at different scales) which would have
different
> values for positionalAccuracy and spatialResolution. But all the
MappedFeatures
> on either of those maps would almost certainly have the same value for
> positionalAccuracy and spatialResolution. As Eric says we want an easy
> way
to
> say these are the values for all MappedFeatures on this map, without
having to
> repeat the information on every single individual MappedFeature.
> Cannot
the
> metadata do this - as I recall there are 19115 properties for
> positional
accuracy
> and spatial resolution? We could then give the MappedFeature
> positionalAccuracy and spatialResolution properties a cardinality of
(0..1) and
> they would usually only be populated for field maps as these are the
> only
type of
> map where this information might either vary between or be known for
> individual MappedFeatures.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
> [mailto:auscope-geosciml- bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of
> Dale.Percival at ga.gov.au
> Sent: 11 May 2011 10:40
> To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Subject: Re: [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature
>
> Isn't the concept to allow for different spatial representations to be
defined for
> a single feature? Or have I stated something obvious?
>
> ....caffeine deprevation....
>
> Dale Percival | Division Architect
> ________________________________
>
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> From: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au
> [mailto:auscope-geosciml- bounces at lists.arcs.org.au] On Behalf Of
> Boisvert, Eric
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 7:34 PM
> To: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au; Raymond Oliver
> Cc: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Subject: [auscope-geosciml] RE : MappedFeature
>
> if voided, wouldn't it mean that the positionalAccuracy is "not known
> /
not
> available" as opposed to "known but always the same" ?
>
> What would be neat is to have some way at the beginning of a feature
> collection to declare default values for voided (or missing) properties.
>
> Eric.
> (cafeine kicking in)..
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> De: auscope-geosciml-bounces at lists.arcs.org.au de la part de Laxton,
> John
L.
> Date: mer. 2011-05-11 05:19
> À: Oliver Raymond
> Cc: auscope-geosciml at lists.arcs.org.au
> Objet : [auscope-geosciml] MappedFeature
>
>
> Hi Ollie,
>
> In the INSPIRE group there is some concern over the implications of
> the positionalAccuracy and resolutionScale properties of
> MappedFeature. At
present
> as I understand it these are not voidable so require to be provided
> for
every
> MappedFeature - which is potentially quite an overhead. In
OneGeology-Europe
> we just hard-coded in values for particular services (so all
MappedFeatures for a
> particular map service were given the same values), but clearly that
> is
really just
> duplicating information that could be in the metadata. Could these
properties be
> made voidable or have a (0..1) cardinality? In reality, at least where
maps other
> than field maps are concerned, the positionalAccuracy and
> resolutionScale
will
> always be the same for all MappedFeatures on a particular map.
>
> John
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